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bblhd672 wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:07 am Term limits for Reps and Senators?
I am not a big fan of term limits for anyone. If they are not doing a good job, vote them out. I prefer to fix the system by making the elections more fair by not allowing any party affiliation or incumbency on the ballot and opening up ballot access.

I am still considering banning any use of parties in committee assignments in Congress also. I have reservations about too many internal rules becoming part of the amendment but would add it if I have some reasonable way to word it. This combined with the ballot access would completely break the lock on government that the parties have, which means we can keep good people if we want.

Remember that the whole reason for term limits on the presidency was FDR. Washington did a personal limit of two terms (showing he was better at this than most and not power hungry). Everyone after him followed his precedence until FDR decided he could do a better job than anyone else and ran for four terms. Of course, he was elected since he was the first to discover how to bribe the voters in wholesale fashion with welfare and social security. He convinced people to blame the government for failing to protect them and then managed to convince them he could protect them. Afterwards, somebody who thought either this was wrong or there could never be anyone as good as FDR managed to get the term limit amendment passed.
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srothstein wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:37 pm
bblhd672 wrote: Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:07 am Term limits for Reps and Senators?
I am not a big fan of term limits for anyone. If they are not doing a good job, vote them out. I prefer to fix the system by making the elections more fair by not allowing any party affiliation or incumbency on the ballot and opening up ballot access.

I am still considering banning any use of parties in committee assignments in Congress also. I have reservations about too many internal rules becoming part of the amendment but would add it if I have some reasonable way to word it. This combined with the ballot access would completely break the lock on government that the parties have, which means we can keep good people if we want.

Remember that the whole reason for term limits on the presidency was FDR. Washington did a personal limit of two terms (showing he was better at this than most and not power hungry). Everyone after him followed his precedence until FDR decided he could do a better job than anyone else and ran for four terms. Of course, he was elected since he was the first to discover how to bribe the voters in wholesale fashion with welfare and social security. He convinced people to blame the government for failing to protect them and then managed to convince them he could protect them. Afterwards, somebody who thought either this was wrong or there could never be anyone as good as FDR managed to get the term limit amendment passed.
Without term limits your new system will fail just like the old one. Citizen statesman who go do the job for a few years and then return to private life is what the Founders envisioned.
Creating a new swamp of lifetime politicians won’t work.
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The Annoyed Man wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:17 pm I’m currently rereading "An Act of Self Defense" right now—a novel about a plot to force congress to vote for a congressional term limits amendment to the constitution.
Picked this book up.....chilling.
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impeachment managers are now demanding trump answer in writing to their claims.
i am not a lawyer, but if hold a "trial" in one body and refuse evidence to be presented from defense, then how can they now demand anything from the defense
or a trial in the senate and both sides provided their briefs, and then the prosecutor decides last minute to demand the accused to send in answers in writing before the trial starts seems hmmmm not legal in any sort as it violates 5th and i bet a few others.
plus this is not a trial in the sense as we would acknowledge a real trial. so why would trump even answer anything to the mangers? he should present evidence when the defense has their day and by HE i mean his attorneys
i think senate is worried, and worried very much
2-3 days are what they are saying the length of trial will be, NOPE they opened the door and if they are to have a trial as we know it. Then we shall see ALL evidence from both sides, no matter the amount of time it takes. I think the 12 hrs of video from GA counters in the arena would take HMMMMM 12 hrs
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powerboatr wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:32 pm impeachment managers are now demanding trump answer in writing to their claims.
i am not a lawyer, but if hold a "trial" in one body and refuse evidence to be presented from defense, then how can they now demand anything from the defense
or a trial in the senate and both sides provided their briefs, and then the prosecutor decides last minute to demand the accused to send in answers in writing before the trial starts seems hmmmm not legal in any sort as it violates 5th and i bet a few others.
plus this is not a trial in the sense as we would acknowledge a real trial. so why would trump even answer anything to the mangers? he should present evidence when the defense has their day and by HE i mean his attorneys
i think senate is worried, and worried very much
2-3 days are what they are saying the length of trial will be, NOPE they opened the door and if they are to have a trial as we know it. Then we shall see ALL evidence from both sides, no matter the amount of time it takes. I think the 12 hrs of video from GA counters in the arena would take HMMMMM 12 hrs

Lets not forget that in this "trial", the person presiding is also one of the "jurors". Can anyone name an example of where that might be allowed?
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OK, so let me get this straight.

The President of the United States, the Commander-in-Chief of the world’s most powerful military machine, sent a shaman known as Buffalo Man armed with a spear and a bullhorn to storm the Capitol Building and violently overthrow the government and seize power.

Along with an injured comrade, Buffalo Man was escorted into the Senate Chamber at his leisure by a friendly police officer and stood at the podium staring at an empty chamber. After several photo opportunities and a convivial chat with journalists he was arrested and thrown in jail where the supposedly dangerous domestic terrorist remains to this day.

Wow, definitely an "insurrection" and clearly a treasonous act by that bad orange man and what appears to have been a handful of rejects from the Village People, feh.💩
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bblhd672 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:54 amWithout term limits your new system will fail just like the old one. Citizen statesman who go do the job for a few years and then return to private life is what the Founders envisioned.
Creating a new swamp of lifetime politicians won’t work.
You might be right about it. I think that this will not happen when I break the power of the parties to control the ballot access and the power of the incumbent to get back in office.

One of the big problems with term limits is that I have not yet figured out what is a reasonable term limit and how to allow for a good person to learn and work his way up through representative and into senator and then vice president or president. I could see keeping the current president/vice president term limits, but what do we do at the lower level? If we go with two terms for senators, how many terms for representatives?

And remember that any time you limit the power of the elected officials by limiting their terms, the power just shifts to the permanent bureaucrats who cannot have term limits. Do we really want that?

I did think of another clause I need to add today. I saw where we had passed a law that applies to all sporting competitions anywhere in the world. I need to figure a way to write a law that says the US can only pass laws that apply within the boundaries of the US, including territories, or to US citizens outside the US. We need to stop being he world's policeman. And then that just made me think of treaties where we join groups we give some of our sovereignty to, like the UN. Need to ban that too.
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srothstein wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:53 pm
bblhd672 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:54 amWithout term limits your new system will fail just like the old one. Citizen statesman who go do the job for a few years and then return to private life is what the Founders envisioned.
Creating a new swamp of lifetime politicians won’t work.
You might be right about it. I think that this will not happen when I break the power of the parties to control the ballot access and the power of the incumbent to get back in office.

One of the big problems with term limits is that I have not yet figured out what is a reasonable term limit and how to allow for a good person to learn and work his way up through representative and into senator and then vice president or president. I could see keeping the current president/vice president term limits, but what do we do at the lower level? If we go with two terms for senators, how many terms for representatives?

And remember that any time you limit the power of the elected officials by limiting their terms, the power just shifts to the permanent bureaucrats who cannot have term limits. Do we really want that?

I did think of another clause I need to add today. I saw where we had passed a law that applies to all sporting competitions anywhere in the world. I need to figure a way to write a law that says the US can only pass laws that apply within the boundaries of the US, including territories, or to US citizens outside the US. We need to stop being he world's policeman. And then that just made me think of treaties where we join groups we give some of our sovereignty to, like the UN. Need to ban that too.
Part of the new Constitution has to include restrictions on the ability to grow a powerful bureaucracy of unelected powerful. Definitely remove the protections enjoyed by federal employees and allow them to be fired without cause, especially the senior service officers.
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srothstein wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:53 pm
bblhd672 wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:54 amWithout term limits your new system will fail just like the old one. Citizen statesman who go do the job for a few years and then return to private life is what the Founders envisioned.
Creating a new swamp of lifetime politicians won’t work.
You might be right about it. I think that this will not happen when I break the power of the parties to control the ballot access and the power of the incumbent to get back in office.

One of the big problems with term limits is that I have not yet figured out what is a reasonable term limit and how to allow for a good person to learn and work his way up through representative and into senator and then vice president or president. I could see keeping the current president/vice president term limits, but what do we do at the lower level? If we go with two terms for senators, how many terms for representatives?

And remember that any time you limit the power of the elected officials by limiting their terms, the power just shifts to the permanent bureaucrats who cannot have term limits. Do we really want that?

I did think of another clause I need to add today. I saw where we had passed a law that applies to all sporting competitions anywhere in the world. I need to figure a way to write a law that says the US can only pass laws that apply within the boundaries of the US, including territories, or to US citizens outside the US. We need to stop being he world's policeman. And then that just made me think of treaties where we join groups we give some of our sovereignty to, like the UN. Need to ban that too.
That's all well & good however the reality on the ground appears to say that the time for this has already passed. The corrupt power crazed DemocRats and the equally corrupt swamp dwelling RINOs are well along the way to permanently rigging the electoral system and abolishing our constitutional checks and balances in order to ensure power in perpetuity. They will then proceed to erase the inalienable rights codified in the Constitution and that protected we the people from rogue governments. The only term limit will be "dictator for life".

The transformation of our Republic into the Socialist nightmare begun by BHO is to be completed under his third term using the senile, demented figurehead who presently occupies the White House. I hope he has a food taster. We have descended into something resembling a corrupt third world autocracy and only Donald Trump could have prevented it. A very sad state of affairs indeed.
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srothstein wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:53 pm One of the big problems with term limits is that I have not yet figured out what is a reasonable term limit and how to allow for a good person to learn and work his way up through representative and into senator and then vice president or president. I could see keeping the current president/vice president term limits, but what do we do at the lower level? If we go with two terms for senators, how many terms for representatives?

And remember that any time you limit the power of the elected officials by limiting their terms, the power just shifts to the permanent bureaucrats who cannot have term limits. Do we really want that?
3 2-year terms for representatives, 2 6-year terms for senators.

Eliminate open-ended employment for the bureaucracy. Hire new bureaucrats on non-renewable 2-year contracts, and convert existing bureaucrats to 1-year non-renewable contracts.

Once the gov’t continues to function smoothly long enough with certain contract positions unfilled, The People will come to understand how unnecessary those jobs were in the first place, and they’ll demand that their term-limited representatives and senators eliminate those jobs. If they don’t act fast enough to do so, maybe they won’t even get a second term, once The People find out that THEY are the ones who truly have sovereignty over their gov’t. The "market" will fill those positions if there is actual value in it for The People.
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