Form 4473-5300-9

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"These fine, upstanding, number-crunching bb-stackers recently put on their green eyeshades and distributed an “administrative update” of good old Form 4473, called, guess what? Form 4473-5300-9.

The form changes the way information about gun buyers is documented. While NICS is only supposed to retain the new Form 4473-5300-9 data for successful background checks 24 hours and delayed background checks for only 90 days, BATF has a completely different set of rules for Federal Firearms Licensees.

Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) must use this form each time they access NICS to transfer guns between buyer and seller. The new update, yawningly dismissed as just another piece of federal paperwork, tends to lob privacy right out the window.

Here’s why:

While the old Form 4473 had sworn statements on page 1, signature on page 2, and gun information and the gun serial number on page 3, the new Form 4473-5300-9 has gun information, serial number and your personal identification all together on page 1. Only the signature is on page 2.

Here’s where it gets interesting: Because the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms reserves the right to “audit” each individual FFL’s complete ledger of transfers at any time, the FFL must also keep the original hard copies of the various Forms 4473 indefinitely.

Thus, while the legislation behind the old Form 4473 essentially created a de facto National Gun Registry (but a very clunky one, because all the multi-page applications are in each individual FFL’s possession and not on a government electronic database) the new Form 4473-5300-9 makes it a lot less clunky to get gun serials and owner information from the FFL in one glance. So much for privacy.

Imagine what the Biden Administration could do to Second Amendment rights with an executive order requiring a “national audit” of all the FFL ledgers to “insure their integrity” (copy them) as a firewall against “right wing domestic terrorism.”
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Frankly I don't see this as a substantive change. FFL requirements are the same, and the info was always there. Rearranging doesn't really make any difference. And the ATF still doesn't retain the info.
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oohrah wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 10:28 am Frankly I don't see this as a substantive change. FFL requirements are the same, and the info was always there. Rearranging doesn't really make any difference. And the ATF still doesn't retain the info.

I don’t trust the feds to do anything, without a hidden agenda in mind. As you said, all of the info is the same, only “rearranged”

The 4473 has remained unchanged for years. Why change it now? I don’t believe for a moment that this is a “streamlining” feature. It does not benefit the buyer, or the seller. As posted, it makes it easier for an auditor to have everything they need on the front page. The signature, and NICS info is all that is on the back pages. No FFL dealer would risk their license, by selling a gun without getting approval from NICS. And even if they did they would not keep a paper trail, so that info, is pretty much a given. But with the name address, and SS# ( if you put it down) is right there underneath the guns you bought. Even under the previous gun-grabber in charge, the 4473 was unchanged, but now the left, and their ATF stormtroopers, want a “new” form.
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