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The ATF posted the proposed pistol brace rules to the Federal Register late last year for public comment. Over 250,000 comments were submitted, with most comments being against any new regulations. The gun community let their voices be heard, and the ATF ignored them.
ATF Requests Funding for Pistol Brace Amnesty Registration Program
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/09/atf-pi ... z7dq6Xqbps
Owners of braced pistols would have to submit photos of their firearms to the ATF to prove that they qualify for “amnesty registration.”

ATF Needs to Go as 4 Million+ Face Gun Registration
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/09/atf-ne ... z7dq7av3NU
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) calls their monumentally stupid idea an “amnesty” because they won’t charge the normal $200 fee for an NFA tax stamp
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ATF: We'll let you register your pistol brace as a SBR for free! (Who gave ATF authority to override the legislated $200 fee?)
Sucker: Great! Here's pictures of all my AR pistols and other weapons using a pistol brace.
ATF: Knock, knock...new rule...we've come to take possession of your amnesty SBR's.
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bblhd672 wrote: Fri Sep 09, 2022 1:50 pm ATF: We'll let you register your pistol brace as a SBR for free! (Who gave ATF authority to override the legislated $200 fee?)
Sucker: Great! Here's pictures of all my AR pistols and other weapons using a pistol brace.
ATF: Knock, knock...new rule...we've come to take possession of your amnesty SBR's.
Folks will simply revert back to the configurations common before braces existed. The ATF is made up of idiotic bureaucrats feasting at the government trough. There is way to much of our tax money going to Washington and ending up being wasted or used to reduce our God given rights.
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Here's a fun fact about SBRs: unlike machineguns, they don't remain classified for life.

Once a machinegun, always a machinegun, but you can convert an SBR back to a pistol at will. Or to a rifle configuration (just once, and not back, technically speaking, but... who's to know?)

Also, if someone registers a braced pistol as an SBR, they're free to put a real stock on it and make a truly functional SBR.
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ATF Unveils Pistol Brace Rule…Everything Is An SBR!

"The regulation is unconstitutional on its face, and through it BATFE assumes powers of Congress to create criminal law. SCOTUS already ruled agencies may not alter or create law nor use deference for criminal law issues. BATFE is off its rocker claiming a buffer tube is a stock and AR pistols are all SBR’s."


https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/atf-un ... is-an-sbr/

WASHINGTON, D.C. -(Ammoland.com)- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) released its final rule surrounding pistol stabilizing devices killing off the market for the items unless court challenges prove successful.

The new rule (ATF final rule 2021R-08F) was published on the ATF’s website today and is set to be posted on the Federal Register on Monday, one day before the industry’s largest trade show, SHOT Show. The regulation will affect millions of Americans that currently own pistol stabilizing devices. What has been considered pistols for years will now be regarded as short barreled rifles (SBR) and be subjected to the National Firearms Act (NFA).

The proposed rule used a form known as “Worksheet 4999” to determine if a firearm equipped with a pistol brace would be considered an SBR by using a point system. The ATF ditched the form in favor of a widespread declaration that almost every pistol equipped with a brace of any kind would be considered an SBR.

“Worksheet 4999 was intended to ensure uniform consideration and application of the statutory definition of those terms. Based on the comments received, the Department agrees that the proposed Worksheet 4999 and point system did not achieve these intended purposes,” the Final Rule reads.

Under the new rule, any firearm that is “designed or redesigned made or remade and intended to be fired from the shoulder” will be considered an SBR.
This designation includes devices such as pistol stabilizing braces which the ATF assumes the shooter installed to be able to shoulder the gun. Also, if a firearm merely has the surface area that would allow it to be fired from the shoulder, the ATF might consider it an SBR if it has a weight or length consistent with a rifle.

Any pistol with a length of pull that is consistent with that of what would be found in a rifle would be considered an SBR. Any adjustable attachments, such as a multi-position buffer tube, would also automatically make the pistol an SBR. If the shooter places an optic on their firearm that requires an eye relief that is consistent with what’s used on a rifle, such as a scope, then that gun will also be considered a short barreled rifle. If a firearm has the surface area to be fired from the shoulder, such as a firearm equipped with a nonadjustable buffer tube, then that will be considered an SBR, basically making every AR-15 pistol and SBR.

“Whether the surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder is created by a buffer tube, receiver extension, or any other accessory, component, or other rearward attachment that is necessary for the cycle of operations,” the document reads.

The ATF will also look at marketing material offered by the manufacturer to determine if installing that device on a firearm will convert it to an SBR. Several lawsuits involve companies suing over California’s law preventing the advertisement of firearms to people under the age of 18, including safety classes.

The ATF will also look at how the people in the firearms community use a gun to determine whether it is an SBR. You could use a device as intended by the manufacturer and still violate the rule if others use it in a way that is not consistent with how the manufacturer designed the device to be used.

There is a 120-day grace period to apply for a tax stamp for any device now considered an SBR that was previously considered a pistol.
Although the ATF states a 120-day grace period to register a pistol as an SBR, the ATF only promises not to enforce NFA rules on these devices for 60 days. The ATF will give a tax forbearance for the $200 tax stamp fee. A tax forbearance means that the ATF will not collect the $200 tax fee, although, by the law, you still owe the fee; it just will not be collected. The rule is set up the way it is because the ATF cannot waive a tax.

Gun owners must use e-Forms to file for the tax stamp. Only individuals would qualify for the tax stamp on devices with pistol stabilizing braces. If someone wanted to put the firearm into a trust, they must first register as an individual and then pay the $200 transfer fee to transfer it into a trust. Many people who own NFA items prefer having their firearms in a trust.

Some states do not allow for SBRs. Gun owners in those states do have options.
They could add a 16-inch or greater barrel, converting the firearm from a pistol into a rifle. In the past, the ATF has stated that a pistol could never be converted into a rifle, but the regulation seems to change this determination. The pistol stabilizing device could also be removed, and the gun owner can modify their firearms not to be able to accept a pistol brace. The gun owner also has the option of destroying the firearm. The final option would be turning the gun into the ATF for zero compensation.

The new regulation is expected to cost gun owners over $260 million. It is expected to cost the federal government over $3 million. In addition to the cost, it will put an increasing burden on the already overwhelmed NFA division of the ATF. the ATF claims that the average wait time will be 90 days, although Silencer Shop is showing a wait time of eight months for a tax stamp. Not only will it bog down the new tax stamp applications for SBRs, but it might drastically increase the wait time for other NFA items, such as sound suppressors.

There will be challenges to the new rule. The Second Amendment Foundation has an ongoing case in a federal District Court in North Dakota over the new regulation. Other legal challenges are expected shortly from other Second Amendment organizations.
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Bitter Clinger wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:57 am
Really? He thinks this bill stands a snowball's chance in hell of passing the House, Senate and White House?

More bread and circuses...just like Rep. Gaetz's bill to abolish the ATF when the focus should be abolishing or dramatically changing the NFA to remove SBR's and suppressors at minimum.
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What You Need to Know About ATF's AR Pistol Brace Ruling:

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A different take from a passionate gun rights lawyer.

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